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Paying For It

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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<h3><big><big><em>You\'re a dirty whore-monger, Chester Brown</em></big></big></h3>\n<table cellpadding=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" width=\"300\" align=\"left\" style=\"margin:0px 10px 10px 0px;\">\n<tr>\n<td style=\"padding:5px; \"><img src=\"http://ed-rex.com/sites/default/files/2011_05/determined_0.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" border=\"0\" /></td>\n</tr>\n</table>\n<p>Autobiography is a risky endeavour at the best of times; not only will the memoirist\'s craft be scrutinized and judged, but so too will his or her <em>character</em>. So it is probably a good thing for <a href=\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_Brown\" target=\"_blank\">Chester Brown</a> that he is one of the best cartoonists of his generation, because he really <em>does</em> have sex with prostitutes.</p>\n<p>In fact, his latest book, <em>Paying For It</em>, is all about his decision to give up on romantic love in favour of sex for money.</p>\n<p>It has become almost trendy to dabble in the sex-trade. Bookshelves groan beneath mounds of tell-all memoirs and fictions, and even relatively mainstream television has gotten into act, with no less than one-time <em>Doctor Who</em> companion Billie Piper disrobing on a regular business as <a href=\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Diary_of_a_Call_Girl\" target=\"_blank\">Belle du Jour</a>. But memoirs and fictions glamorizing the life of <a href=\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution#Etymology_and_terminology\" target=\"_blank\">johns?</a></p>\n<p>Maybe not so much</p>\n<p>It is one thing to admit to taking money for sex; to confess <em>paying</em> for sex, on the other hand, remains quite outside the bounds of polite society.</p>\n<table cellpadding=\"8\" cellspacing=\"0\" width=\"300\" align=\"right\" style=\"margin:4px 0px 0px 10px;\">\n<tr>\n<td style=\"padding:0px;\"><img src=\"http://ed-rex.com/sites/default/files/2011_05/page_053_detail_anyone.jpg\" alt=\"\" /><small><em></em></small></td>\n</tr>\n</table>\n<p>If Brown doesn\'t make an explicit analogy between his \"coming-out\" as a john and the struggles of gay men and lesbians who braved arrest and assault when they refused to any longer closet their sexual natures, <em>Paying For It</em> certainly implicitly invites the comparison, if only by Brown\'s refusal to be ashamed.</p>\n<p>As Brown\'s friend (and ex-girlfriend) Kris tells him, to most people, johns are \"... creeps. Who knows what they\'re capable of? If I had a daughter I\'d be worried about what would happen if she was in the same elevator as one of those guys.\"</p>\n<p>So would you want to read a comic book by and about one?</p>\n<p><a href=\"http://ed-rex.com/reviews/books/paying_for_it\" target=\"_blank\">Click here for my full review, with inevitable spoilers &mdash; not safe for work.</a></p>\n<h3><big><em>Money for something</em></big></h3>\n<table cellpadding=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" width=\"200\" align=\"left\" style=\"margin:4px 20px 10px 0px;\">\n<tr>\n<td style=\"padding:0px;\"><img src=\"/sites/default/files/2011_05/paying_for_it_cover.jpg\" alt=\"\" /><small><strong><a href=\"http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/1770460489/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=edirexonl-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=15121&amp;creative=330641&amp;creativeASIN=1770460489\" target=\"_blank\">Paying for It: A Comic-Strip Memoir About Being a John</a><img src=\"http://www.assoc-amazon.ca/e/ir?t=edirexonl-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=15&amp;a=1770460489\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important; margin:0px !important;\" /><br />\nBy <a href=\"http://www.drawnandquarterly.com/artStudio.php?artist=a3dff7dd51fc01\" target=\"_blank\">Chester Brown</a><br />\n(<a href=\"http://www.drawnandquarterly.com/index.php\" target=\"_blank\">Drawn &amp; Quarterly</a>), May, 2011<br />\nHardcover: 272 pages<br />\n<strong>ISBN: 9781770460485</strong><br /></strong></small></td>\n</tr>\n\n</table>\n<p>Chester Brown began his career in the early 1980s when he self-published the mini-comic <a href=\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yummy_Fur_%28comic%29\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Yummy Fur</em></a> (a complete run of which I am pleased is still in my possession). His early work was notable for its blend of surreal, scatological and slapstick humour, but grew more serious in tone and ever-more sophisticated in execution as he tackled subjects as diverse as his adaptations of the Gospels and, especially, his courageous autobiographical stories, which often focused on his sexuality. Beyond the comic world, he is probably best-known for his <a href=\"http://www.drawnandquarterly.com/shopCatalogLong.php?st=art&amp;art=a3dff7dd51fc01\" target=\"_blank\">biography of Louis Riel</a>.</p>\n<p>If posterity has yet to determine whether he will take a seat among comics\' immortals, there can be no doubt that Chester Brown is a superb craftsman and a courageous artist.</p>\n<p>But neither craft nor courage guarantee success &mdash; and a project like <em>Paying For It</em> is sure to be attacked as much for its content and its <em>perceived</em> content, as will its creator, as it will be for the words and pictures which actually lie between its covers.</p>\n<table cellpadding=\"8\" cellspacing=\"0\" width=\"300\" align=\"right\" style=\"margin:4px 0px 0px 10px;\">\n<tr>\n<td style=\"padding:0px;\"><img src=\"http://ed-rex.com/sites/default/files/2011_05/page_179_detail.jpg\" alt=\"\" /><small><em></em></small></td>\n</tr>\n</table>\n<p>Even those who support the right of prostitutes to ply their trade legally and with the full protection of the law often seem to run out of tolerance when it comes to the men whose money creates that market in the first place.</p>\n<p>A blogger I respect a great deal recently dismissed <em>Paying For It</em> sight unseen.</p>\n<p>\"Haven\'t read it. Don\'t really have any desire to read it. This said, <a href=\"http://www.boingboing.net/2011/05/10/paying-for-it-a-comi.html\" target=\"_blank\">Chester Brown\'s latest offering</a> sounds like exactly what I was complaining about, minus the \'sensitive\' in \'sensitive indie white boy,\' with bonus misogyny and libertarianism.\"</p>\n<p>Is Chester Brown really a misogynist? If so, does the fact that he pays for sex in and of itself prove that he is? (That he is a Libertarian is beyond reasonable doubt; he\'s now twice stood for election as a candidate for the <a href=\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_of_Canada\" target=\"_blank\">Libertarian Party of Canada</a>.)</p>\n<p>If your answer to that second question is \"no\" or \"not necessarily\", the evidence at hand &mdash; which of course is entirely Brown\'s &mdash; won\'t answer it definitively; the reader has no way of knowing what facts Brown has opted to omit or to change.</p>\n<p>That said, none of his previous autobiographical comics smacked of self-hagiography and he makes no obvious effort here to pander to his readers\' presumed prejudices; Chester Brown doesn\'t seem to much care much whether people like or approve of him or not.</p>\n<p>As with a number of the comments to a <a href=\"http://www.boingboing.net/2011/05/10/paying-for-it-a-comi.html\" target=\"_blank\">review at BoingBoing</a>, the above blogger\'s brief \"review\" suggests there is a deep-seated contempt for those (men) who pay for sex that is eerily similar to that which bubbles beneath the placid surface of those who can boast of many gay friends, yet who still hold that marriage be reserved for mixed-sex couples only.</p>\n<p>Brown is openly fessing-up to an activity &mdash; no, he is <em>proudly declaring</em> that he is engaged in an activity that a large cohort of our society considers disgusting and depraved, full-stop.</p>\n<p>What is strange, is that many of those same people do not (or say they do not) hold the same opinion of the women who provide the services being purchased. Which strikes me as a double-standard which presumes that <em>all</em> women involved in the sex-trade are victims &mdash; full-stop again.</p>\n<h3><big><em>Sex life of an introvert</em></big></h3>\n<table cellpadding=\"8\" cellspacing=\"0\" width=\"300\" align=\"right\" style=\"margin:4px 0px 0px 10px;\">\n<tr>\n<td style=\"padding:5px; \"><img src=\"/sites/default/files/2011_05/page_016_detail.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" border=\"0\" /></td>\n</tr>\n</table>\n<p><em>Paying For It</em> begins in 1996, when Brown\'s then-girlfriend (Canadian musician, actor, director and now <a href=\"http://www.cbc.ca/dnto/about.html\" target=\"_blank\">CBC Radio</a> host <a href=\"http://twitter.com/#!/sookyinlee\" target=\"_blank\">Sook Yin Lee</a>) tells him that she has fallen in love with another man.</p>\n<p>Brown accepts the revelation with a weird equanimity and surprises his friends Seth and <a href=\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Matt\" target=\"_blank\">Joe Matt</a> even more when he tells them that he is okay with the break-up, is still friends with Sook Yin <em>and</em> that he will continue renting a room in her house.</p>\n<p>And he adds that he doesn\'t think he ever again wants to get involved in a romantic relationship. \"I\'ve got two competing desires,\" he later tells Kris, another ex-girlfriend, \"-- the desire to have sex, versus the desire to <strong>NOT</strong> have a girlfriend.\"</p>\n<p>Not surprisingly, as any introverted male can probably attest, Brown\'s next two years are celibate. It is only when he nearly pays $50 to have a photo taken of himself with a <em>Playboy</em> model at a comic book convention that he considers hiring a prostitute.</p>\n<p>A year after <em>that</em>, he takes the plunge and the book\'s main narrative kicks in, with a chapter devoted to (and named for) each prostitute with whom he will have encounters.</p>\n<p><em>Paying For It</em> includes some frank depictions of sex, but the drawing is not remotely prurient and it would take a peculiar libido indeed to find it erotic. Brown\'s almost static black-and-white drawings are meant to &mdash; and do &mdash; support the narrative and and dialogue without drawing any attention to the artwork.</p>\n<p>Brown draws himself as utterly expressionless, with an almost cadaverous gauntness. The one-time master of surreal slapstick is, here, quietly observant, with what humour there is coming almost entirely through dialogue.</p>\n<p>Perhaps surprisingly, that\'s enough to carry the book. Brown has an excellent ear for dialogue and the timing to make of conversational irony laugh-out-loud moments.</p>\n<p>The chapters are short and straightforward, depicting Brown\'s anxieties about this new world (will he be caught in a police sting? Will he be beaten and robbed? What about disease?) and his gradual acculturation to it.</p>\n<table cellpadding=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" width=\"300\" align=\"left\" style=\"margin:0px 10px 10px 0px;\">\n<tr>\n<td style=\"padding:5px; \"><img src=\"/sites/default/files/2011_05/page_079_detail_body.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" border=\"0\" /></td>\n</tr>\n</table>\n<p>Though some encounters are more enjoyable for him than others, he reports his experiences were largely positive and becomes ever-more insistent when discussing them with his friends that no, he is <em>not</em> secretly unhappy nor is he having a mid-life crisis. He insists that he is in fact very happy with the arrangement.</p>\n<p>If anything, according to Chester Brown, it is the rest of the world that has a problem. Romantic love, with its attendant rules and expectations of physical monogamy, is \"evil\".</p>\n<p>And that\'s about it in so far as the book has a plot. Chester Brown opts out of romance and in to 15 or 20 paid sex sessions per year as an alternative.</p>\n<p>The book\'s final 40 pages consist mostly of justifications. Brown is a good writer, but even the best writers are poorly-served by essays in story\'s disguise. And indeed, once the comic ends there are another 30 pages of appendices, strictly prose &mdash; plus end-notes to boot.</p>\n<p>Despite the polemics, <em>Paying For It</em> is a solid and surprisingly entertaining look at a seldom-discussed side of the sex-trade. It is also the sort of thought-provoking manifesto sure to start a lot of passionate discussions to go along with the equally passionate out-of-hand dismissals.</p>\n<p>It\'s not comfortable reading; Brown makes no apologies for the selfish aspects of his sexuality, as demonstrated most strongly by his judgements of the looks of the women whose services he is purchasing.</p>\n<table cellpadding=\"8\" cellspacing=\"0\" width=\"300\" align=\"right\" style=\"margin:4px 0px 0px 10px;\">\n<tr>\n<td style=\"padding:0px;\"><img src=\"/sites/default/files/2011_05/page_079_detail_arrogant.jpg\" alt=\"\" /><small><em><strong></strong></em></small></td>\n</tr>\n</table>\n<table cellpadding=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" width=\"120\" align=\"left\" style=\"margin:0px 10px 10px 0px;\">\n<tr>\n<td style=\"padding:5px; \"><iframe src=\"http://rcm-ca.amazon.ca/e/cm?t=edirexonl-20&amp;o=15&amp;p=8&amp;l=as1&amp;asins=1770460489&amp;ref=tf_til&amp;fc1=000000&amp;IS2=1&amp;lt1=_blank&amp;m=amazon&amp;lc1=0000FF&amp;bc1=000000&amp;bg1=FFFFFF&amp;f=ifr\" target=\"_blank\" style=\"width:120px;height:240px;\" scrolling=\"no\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" frameborder=\"0\"></iframe></td>\n</tr>\n</table>\n<p>Does that make him a mysogynist? Is there something inherently wrong with the sex trade, or only with the paying party in that equation? Is there something inherently wrong for any individual to decide that romantic relationships are too much work and, rather than opt for celibacy, to pay someone for occasional sexual release?</p>\n<p>There is a final twist to the story, which might (spoilers!) gainsay Brown\'s claims. He is, he tells his friends, now involved in a monogamous relationship, and has been for six years. Money is still exchanged, but he says \"I ... probably love Denise,\" though he doubts she loves him. He believes she is no longer sleeping with other men but claims he would not be bothered if she did.</p>\n<p>And so the story ends. Or rather, the book does. Brown\'s story continues and we can only presume (and hope!) that he will fill us in on future developments.</p>\n<p>As for myself, I have no regrets and will almost certainly revisit <em>Paying For It</em>. But, if I could do it over, I might have chosen to pay for the paperback rather than the hardcover.</p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:8f5a20d33dc62c7cddd5e4f82f83e266' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p>Yeah, no. I admit that the word \"libertarian\" sealed my opinion, but it seems like he does indeed sound like exactly the reason why johns are mostly contemptible; he doesn\'t want a woman, he wants a fleshsock. And I think trying to compare johns with gays or other despised minority groups is a rather skeevy association.</p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:13563c95e721ca925db06aa6fbd16916' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p>\"fleshsock\" and sex-trade are two different arguments. I think the former (as an argument against), by your logic, falls into the category of \"religious\" (sociopathic from the standpoint of a particular view of human relationships?). It is thereby irrational.<br />\nI jest.</p>\n<p>I too fall on the pay-for-sex from those two points. Yet meaningless, stringless -and often probably fully consensual- sex happens all the time. But that^ (above) is NOT an argument against one-night stands (or is it?).</p>\n<p>If it\'s not then fleshsocking requires the latter (exploitation in the sex trade) to help stand it up as a convincing argument (ha); I mean, what makes his fleshsocking contemptible is not that he is paying for it, but that he is paying for it through an exploitative industry. Therefore it is OK to pay for sex provided there is no exploitation. </p>\n<p>That\'s how this argument seems to me. However, I still feel that paying for sex (fleshsocking) is somewhat contemptible regardless of exploitation (I think). And so I wonder if you also feel that way.</p>\n<p>--<br />\nP.S I don\'t think there are no rational arguments against homosexuality I just don\'t think that most of them are particularly good.</p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:4500f230088022d7822c02ad899ea582' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p><em>...he doesn\'t want a woman, he wants a fleshsock.</em></p>\n<p>That\'s kind of the <em>point</em> of paying for sex, isn\'t it? In which case, who are the johns that are <em>not</em> contemptible?</p>\n<p><em>And I think trying to compare johns with gays or other despised minority groups is a rather skeevy association.</em></p>\n<p>Well, why? People really <em>did</em> (and many still do) make similar judgements about gays and lesbians. It seems to me that when it comes to activites between consenting adults it is up to \"society\" to clear say why such-and-such an activity is wrong; we can\'t just assert that it is. (Well, we shouldn\'t.)</p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:8a7b1ebce1af21ee5c4a05d6f93c1c87' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p>I don\'t know if there are any johns who aren\'t contemptible, frankly, but I can feel a teeny tiny bit of sympathy for the \"lonely guy who thinks he can\'t get laid any other way\" and who is looking for human contact as much as for sex. Maybe the guy who just wants a warm jizz receptacle is more honest, but he\'s more honest about having a sociopath disregard for his fleshsocks, which I don\'t find admirable or sympathetic.</p>\n<p>As for associating johns with homosexuals: I suppose if you believe that homosexuality is (a) \"wrong\" and (b) a choice, then you could argue that being a john is similar.</p>\n<p>I have limited sympathy for the \"consenting adults\" argument, especially as wielded by libertarians, who are happy to consider a drug addict who was kicked out of her house at age 13 \"consenting\" when it comes to prostitution.</p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:577b4506553b715b4efda74735f15b56' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p><em>I have limited sympathy for the \"consenting adults\" argument, especially as wielded by libertarians, who are happy to consider a drug addict who was kicked out of her house at age 13 \"consenting\" when it comes to prostitution.</em></p>\n<p>So do I. But that isn\'t Chester Brown.</p>\n<p>As for the association of johns with homosexuals, the analogy I\'m drawing isn\'t to the similarities between those groups, but <em>to the attitudes held by those who despise members of one or both of those groups</em>. You say you don\'t know if there are \"any\" johns who aren\'t contemptible, which begs the question, have you met any (that you know of)?</p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:21a753cea99bec621fd3fd8b515d0072' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<blockquote><p>You say you don\'t know if there are \"any\" johns who aren\'t contemptible, which begs the question, have you met any (that you know of)?</p></blockquote>\n<p>Well, yes. I know they aren\'t all evil sociopaths who hate women, but I\'ve never met one who wasn\'t pretty pathetic and/or misogynistic.</p>\n<p>I don\'t think the attitudes of homophobes and the attitudes of people who disapprove of johns are equivalent, and you can\'t compare them without implying that johns and homosexuals are equivalent in some way.</p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:03fba7f7ce95bf4259b4553a466ff340' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p><em>I don\'t think the attitudes of homophobes and the attitudes of people who disapprove of johns are equivalent, and you can\'t compare them without implying that johns and homosexuals are equivalent in some way.</em></p>\n<p>Sure you can. People\'s attitudes and reality don\'t necessarily have a great deal to do with one another. My point isn\'t that johns and homosexuals are equivalent, but that the attitudes of many people who hold johns in contempt are equivalent to the attitudes of many people who hold homosexuals in contempt.</p>\n<p>The rationales are different, but I believe &mdash; in many cases at least &mdash; that what is going on is not a rational condemnation of a certain behaviour, but an irrational hatred and fear of a <em>perceived</em> kind of person.</p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:f4f2f2feaef8588508f1c7cfa2dc75dd' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p>If the condemnation is along the lines of \"Ewww, you dirty whoremonger, you\'re a filthy pervert just like those homosexuals,\" then yeah. I\'m not sure that they make up the majority nowadays. In my experience, opposition to prostitution tends to be more along the lines of: \"Supporting an industry that puts 13-year-old runaways out on the streets is not an ethical choice (even if you are a Nice John who never picks up 13-year-olds).\"</p>\n<p>My point is that there are <em>rational</em> arguments against patronizing prostitutes. There aren\'t really any rational arguments against homosexuality, only emotional/religious ones. (Even \"they spread AIDS\" has lost traction.)</p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:0a38bae57d93d9a7c9b608d71ef02d41' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p><em>My point is that there are </em>rational<em> arguments against patronizing prostitutes.</em></p>\n<p>Well what <em>are</em> they? And let\'s leave aside the 13 year-old runaways. They exist, I know, but so do 13 year-old alcoholics, 13 year-old PG-18 games and 13 year-old fanfic writers. I\'m pretty sure you agree that the existence of the former doesn\'t mean adults should be forbidden from taking part in those activities.</p>\n<p>So, unless you\'re saying that every woman who \"chooses\" to sell sex as a service is in fact being forced to do so, neither you nor anyone else who has commented so far has offered that elusive rational argument against sex-for-money, but only assertions that there is something inherently wrong with it.</p>\n<p>As I think I\'ve said either here or in a comment elsewhere, I am to some extent one with the <em>ick</em> crowd &mdash; I sure wouldn\'t be happy to learn that my niece had decided to take up the trade. But I\'m damned if I can think of a rational argument beyond the utilitarian (disease, a bad date, loss of reputation) against the choice.</p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:3f246d6e1b13ca37f0c9cf1fcabe5b83' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p>Why exclude the underage runaways and the drug addicts? The difference between them and the 13-year-old alcoholics and PC gamers is that the latter don\'t <em>require</em> a steady supply of misery and disenfranchisement to keep the industry going. If there were no women being trafficked, exploited, hooked on drugs, turned out as underage runaways, then the prostitution industry would be a tiny one catered to only by the wealthy.</p>\n<p>If prostitution were solely (or even could be largely limited to) women who have other options but choose this one, the high-priced callgirls so beloved of Hollywood, then I might agree that any arguments against it boil down to \"Ick.\" But every study I\'ve seen indicates that worldwide (<i>and</i> in the U.S., so it\'s not just a problem with the teeming impoverished masses of the third world), the vast, <b>vast</b> majority of prostitutes were forced into the work because it was that or starvation (or worse), and upwards of 95% of them would get out if they could.</p>\n<p>So yes, I\'m saying that the great majority of women who \"choose\" to sell sex as a service are in fact being forced to do so, and I think the mindset that says women=sex=commodity prevents it from being any other way.</p>\n<p>The woman who decides sex for $150/hour is better than waiting tables for $10/hour may be making a rational choice, but even she is on the upper end of the prostitution bell curve. And I really have no patience for the \"But people flipping burgers at McDonald\'s probably don\'t like their jobs either\" argument.</p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:e83d320e88e4dbb2ff78a0008d67463d' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p>What can I say, you\'re asserting that \"upwards of 95% of them would get out if they could\" and alluding to \"every study you\'ve seen\" without citing even one of them. Do you really expect me to believe that every woman (or rather, \"upwards of 95%\" of the women) who posts an add in the back of a community newspaper or on the web is <em>force</em> into the work?</p>\n<p>As I\'ve said, that goes against my own anecdotal experience, where the sex industry is something (a) with many layers &dash; ie, web-camming is not stripping is not prostitution, etc and (b) is something that the women I\'ve known have both gotten into and gotten out of.</p>\n<p>I\'m not denying that I may know an especially priviledged subset of women in the sex industry, or that most of them liked to party more than was good for them, but to go on to say they were <em>forced</em> into anything is an insult to every eastern European woman who got scammed into coming across the water and immediately had her passport yanked and a needle full of heroin jabbed into her arm.</p>\n<p>In any event, what is your solution?</p>\n<p>Chester Brown says the industry should be decriminalized so that women who <em>who</em> held in thrall to pimps can go to the cops, and those that run into a viscious john can do the same. Do you have a better idea?<br />\neven if your assertions are true here in Canada (or down south of the border), you don\'t say what you think should be done about it, other than issuing a self-righteous moral condemnation of the industry in general and of </p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:a1074eaea33dab5c31da03a8e6a6746d' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<blockquote><p>What can I say, you\'re asserting that \"upwards of 95% of them would get out if they could\" and alluding to \"every study you\'ve seen\" without citing even one of them. Do you really expect me to believe that every woman (or rather, \"upwards of 95%\" of the women) who posts an add in the back of a community newspaper or on the web is force into the work?</p></blockquote>\n<p>No, I\'m saying that Craigslist escorts are mostly the exception, not the rule. Yes, the women you\'ve known are most likely a privileged subset.</p>\n<p>I\'m sorry I can\'t recall where I saw the figures, and I\'ve got a fever right now so I\'m not going to go Googling -- feel free to dismiss the figure if you like, but I doubt it is inaccurate. Again, I\'m not just looking at college girls making some money on webcams, I\'m looking at the huge numbers of street prostitutes and brothel workers worldwide.</p>\n<p>Who said I had a solution? I find it odd that you find my position \"self-righteous.\" If I had to propose a solution, it would probably be some sort of legalization model involving stiff penalties for johns who patronize unlicensed prostitutes (but no penalty for the prostitutes), along with money poured into getting as many workers out of the industry as possible, and a major international campaign against trafficking.</p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:bb79c9ffe3413a3394bb8ace55e779b8' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p><em>...I\'m looking at the huge numbers of street prostitutes and brothel workers worldwide.</em></p>\n<p>Fair enough, at least if we agree that an undefined \"lot of women\" are in such dismal situations. However, I\'d hazard a guess (in fact, I <em>am</em> hazarding that guess) that the street prostitution and exploitative brothels are at least in large part due to the fact that the activity (or, in Canada, all aspects <em>but</em> the actual exchange of money) are illegal. It\'s not exactly a secret that prohibition breeds crime and exploitation.</p>\n<p>So I (and Brown) <em>are</em> proposing a solution. Namely, full decriminalization. Make pimping a hanging offence, treat sexual assault seriously and let the women in the trade set themselves up in cooperative situations (if they so choose).</p>\n<p>Will that solve every problem associated with prostitution? Of course not. There will still be 13 year old girls being exploited, still be drug addicts taken advantage of, ad nauseum. But if <em>adults</em> are legally allowed to fully control their own bodies, the cops will be able to spend their time going after the real victims while grown-ups can conduct what you might consider to be their sordid business without also being hunted down as criminals.</p>\n<p>Ahem. Bit of a rant there, wasn\'t it?</p>\n<p>As for the self-righteous remark, well, early on you said \"I don\'t know if there are any johns who aren\'t contemptible, frankly\" and it doesn\'t <em>get</em> much more self-righteous than that. For sake of argument I\'ll allow the possibility that you\'re right &mdash; that (almost) every man who has ever paid for sex is \"contemptible\", but that\'s a pretty wide swath of the human race you\'re condemning. I think you ought to provide some pretty solid evidence to support the judgement.</p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:e8c71f0c78c2cf56e3fc5bb545a9c4aa' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p>I\'m really sorry, but it\'s not undefined, <em>you haven\'t done the research</em>. My wife found reputable studies within about 10 minutes (granted, some of them were from Lexis-Nexis, but a lot of them were available on the public internet). A good place to start might be here: <a href=\"http://prostitutionresearch.com/\" title=\"http://prostitutionresearch.com/\">http://prostitutionresearch.com/</a> I\'m not claiming that the site is unbiased, but they cite their statistics, and are on the public internet.</p>\n<p>The average age of entering the prostitution trade is between 13 and 14. I cited two studies, done in the mid-eighties. 85% of prostitutes have been victims of childhood sexual assault, and 80% of them are raped at some point during their career. The suicide rate for prostitutes is enormous - they make up 15% of the TOTAL suicide rate.</p>\n<p>It\'s nice to think about some pie-in-the-sky legalization scheme that will fix the problems, but honestly, you need to stop telling people they\'re wrong about how it\'s constructed now, because they aren\'t. </p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:14da873f09376246f2942e6954eeab20' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p>Thanks for the link, but it\'s a big site and one of the first bits I came across includes the following, from an anonymous former prostitute:</p>\n<p>\"If the managers (madams or pimps) felt that the customer’s request was reasonable, the prostitute was obligated to comply, <strong>or find another house to work in</strong>.\" [My emphasis.]</p>\n<p>That doesn\'t sound like much in the way of <em>coercion</em>, if a prostitute can simply \"find another house to work in\" if she doesn\'t like the way the one she is in is run. Presumably, she can also stop prostituting herself altogether.</p>\n<p>In any case, whatever her reasons, she <em>\"chose\"</em> to enter the business, no one put a gun to her head &mdash; and since some women <em>do</em> literally have a gun or some other weapon used to <em>really</em> coerce them into the trade, it does the latter a gross disservice to lump unhappy middle-class white women with genuine victims. It\'s like me saying the time a girl in grade 8 pinched my bum is no different from the time a good friend of mine was dragged into an alley and raped at knife-point. Sure, both incidents are technically sexual assault, but to claim they are the same thing is frankly a moral obscenity.</p>\n<p>Which is to say, I remain unconvinced and I\'m not going to go through everything on a website about which I know nothing except that its bias is frankly abolitionist (as with alcohol or marijuana use, an impossible goal, I\'m afraid) in order, maybe, to find a study which will support your claim.</p>\n<p>You said that you \"cited two studies, done in the mid-eighties\", but you haven\'t actually cited them. And anyway, studies done on a system that has been <em>criminalized</em> don\'t have a hell of a lot to say about a theoretical, <em>decriminalized</em> system.</p>\n<p>While Chester Brown might think that prostitution is all fine and dandy, at least in theory, I see it as more of a necessary evil. That is, it\'s not going away, so any discussion needs to be about mitigating harm, not criminalizing prostitutes <em>or</em> johns.</p>\n<p>As I\'ve said before, the best way to cut down on the criminal element in any enterprise is to make the enterprise legal and to ensure that prostitutes have every opportunity to get out of the business if and/or when they are ready to.</p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:e200571ac7693f384514f38642c19e77' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<blockquote><p>That doesn\'t sound like much in the way of coercion, if a prostitute can simply \"find another house to work in\" if she doesn\'t like the way the one she is in is run. Presumably, she can also stop prostituting herself altogether.</p></blockquote>\n<p>And on the same page -<br />\n\"They say prostitution is a choice? How did I choose prostitution? I didn’t choose prostitution, it chose me. Just as child sexual assault and neglect had chose me. I was not a willing participant, but lured into a life I saw as my only option.\"</p>\n<p>My point is that most of these women ARE either under coercion, or too young to legally make informed choices, or under situations where they have no other options (or are led to feel that they have no other options).</p>\n<p>My point is that the \"unhappy middle-aged white women\" you\'re talking about are a ridiculously small minority of a trade that thrives on the abuse and virtual (or, in many cases, actual) enslavement of women. Even in cases where people \"choose\" prostitution, it\'s seldom a rational choice, made with an array of other options.</p>\n<p>And, as I pointed out, your theoretical decriminalized scenario isn\'t relevant to discussions of the sex trade as it currently exists. I have no problem with your theoretical scenario, only with your discussion of the real situation as it stands.</p>\n<p>And I cited them in a previous comment that was eaten - I assumed it was moderation, so that you\'d have seen it, but if it was something else - my wife\'s computer has the original citations, which I\'ll dig up when she gets back. But, honestly, it\'s not actually a worthwhile position for you to say \"I\'m going to make all these statements based on no data! But I\'m going to ignore anything without a citation that I 100% believe to be bias-free, and I\'m not going to do my own research!\" I mean, you haven\'t provided a study backing your views, which are counter to both common knowledge AND every single study pulled up in a cursory Googling. <a href=\"http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=1984+prostitution+study&amp;hl=en&amp;as_sdt=0&amp;as_vis=1&amp;oi=scholart\" title=\"http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=1984+prostitution+study&amp;hl=en&amp;as_sdt=0&amp;as_vis=1&amp;oi=scholart\">http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=1984+prostitution+study&amp;hl=en&amp;as_sdt...</a> I\'m not asking you to spend 14 years becoming an expert in sexual violence statistics, I\'m asking you to do ANY BASIC RESEARCH BEFORE YOU TELL PEOPLE THEY\'RE WRONG.</p>\n<p>Also, your decriminalization plan only works when the actual thing being legislated doesn\'t have inherent aspects that lead to abuse. And, particularly given the level of misogyny prevalent in mainstream culture today, I don\'t think that even decriminalized prostitution would be free from abuse, exploitation, and other such social evils. I mean, the pornography and sex work industries aren\'t, and they\'re basically in the same legal state that you would put prostitution into.</p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:97b8211857e1b3f3d36f9b68029f6868' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p><em><br />\n<blockquote>That doesn\'t sound like much in the way of coercion, if a prostitute can simply \"find another house to work in\" if she doesn\'t like the way the one she is in is run. Presumably, she can also stop prostituting herself altogether.<br />\n<blockquote>\n<p>And on the same page -<br />\n\"They say prostitution is a choice? How did I choose prostitution? I didn’t choose prostitution, it chose me. Just as child sexual assault and neglect had chose me. I was not a willing participant, but lured into a life I saw as my only option.\"</p></blockquote></blockquote></em></p>\n<p>Well yes. But the statement I quoted is an assertion about an objective situation at a particular time &mdash; the woman <em>could leave her situation</em> &mdash; while the one you quoted is subjective analysis of a long and complicated how-did-I-get-here contemplation, which is a very different kettle of fish.</p>\n<p>Look, at no point have I said or implied that I think prostitution is a desirable occupation or that very few prostitutes are abused. I don\'t think it\'s a desirable occupation and I know that a lot of prostitutes are abused. Okay?</p>\n<p>However, you claim (here) that \"most\" prostitutes \"ARE either under coercion, or too young to legally make informed choices, or under situations where they have no other options\" which is so broad a series of claim s as to be meaningless. If you want to discuss this further (with me), please pick one of those claims and give me some supporting evidence. And since I moderate the comments here, the comment got deleted isn\'t going to go too far with me. Once is possible, twice is highly unlikely; I wish I did, but since I implemented the capcha, I don\'t get so much spam that I\'m going to delete much by accident.</p>\n<p>Long story short, you don\'t like prostitution, or johns. I get that. What isn\'t clear is whether you think that prohibition results in fewer women being hurt and killed than legalization (as in Nevada) or (my choice) simple de-criminalization (as in nowhere, to my knowledge).</p>\n<p>If you believe that prohibition is the way to go, we might as well go our separate ways right now unless you can cite some <em>serious</em> and <em>peer-reviewed</em> studies showing evidence that prohibition, y\'know, works.</p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:63df24c424ddc6cdc5d6e7147c25dfe6' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p>So, I need to find <em>serious</em>, <em>peer-reviewed</em> studies that show prohibition works. But your position doesn\'t need any documentation? I suspect you\'re essentially using a request for citation as a rhetorical device - you\'re not actually basing your position on authoritative documents, and you\'re not interested in developing a position based on authoritative. If so, it\'s just a \"kill button\" for debate. If not, show me where you\'re getting \"most prostitutes live in ok conditions\" from, <em>serious and peer-reviewed</em>.</p>\n<p>As I said that I \"thought\" it was moderated at the time. I\'m guessing it\'s operator error - I assumed a preview was a post button, or some such. Statistics can be found fairly simply from <a href=\"http://www.justice.gov/criminal/ceos/prostitution.html\" title=\"http://www.justice.gov/criminal/ceos/prostitution.html\">http://www.justice.gov/criminal/ceos/prostitution.html</a> , or crawling the citations of Cheryl Hanna\'s article \"Somebody\'s Daughter\" (<a href=\"http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;ved=0CBYQFjAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fscholarship.law.wm.edu%2Fcgi%2Fviewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D1179%26context%3Dwmjowl&amp;rct=j&amp;q=Hannah%20somebody%27s%20daughter&amp;ei=ZDXkTd_xI4Xu0gG44aC6Bw&amp;usg=AFQjCNFUgNqs878D144dIJ4UxL7VQ3tBNA&amp;cad=rja\">pdf available</a>, if it\'s down, use Google). I would spoon-feed you the exact locations of the particular data points, but neither I nor my wife have the time to do your research for you right now. Please, for the love of God, do some damn research, though.</p>\n<p>It isn\'t a particularly broad series of claims, actually, because I\'m not claiming \"all of them match every category,\" I\'m saying that at least one of those categories (which match the meaning of coercion that I originally intended) applies to the majority of sex workers. </p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:c2f13213f019dfb6a532276815ae3301' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p><em>So, I need to find serious, </em>peer-reviewed<em> studies that show prohibition works.</em></p>\n<p>Well, not really, though you did claim to have some handy.</p>\n<p>But anyway, I\'ll accept it if you just point me to an <em>example</em> of prohibition working. I can cite alchohol, all manner of illegal drugs and (I argue) prostitution as examples of prohibition doing exactly what you say you oppose. That is, making things better for organized crime and making criminals of people who are doing nothing that, in and of itself, hurts another person.</p>\n<p><em>Statistics can be found fairly simply...</em></p>\n<p>Statistics of what? That women are often hurt through prostitution and that many/most of the women who work as prostitutes have been sexually abused or have drug problems? Or both?</p>\n<p>That\'s not news.</p>\n<p>I haven\'t denied any of that. All I\'ve done is question your statistics, such as \"95%\" and asked for sources, since my anecdata suggests to me that your stats are frankly made up. You\'ve then said that you could easily point to stats but have never done so. The best you could do was to point me towards an activist site, which had, as the very first item I checked, an anonymous first-person account that contradicted itself within the first few paragraphs.</p>\n<p>I really don\'t like being rude on my own forum because, yes, I am in the position of power here, but sweet Christ, I don\'t even know what your point is at this stage.</p>\n<p>Go for something specific, and please <em>quote</em> me if you think I\'m saying something that isn\'t true. Because I\'m damned if I\'m gong to play your little game of catch-the-moving-goal-post any further.</p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:4de24df75154fc4689c1e80f24a99df3' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p>You\'re not questioning <em>my statistics</em>, at least not if 95% is going to be your example number. And, again, I\'m not asking you to take my assertions on faith, and I never remotely made anything LIKE a claim that I have data that says \"prohibition of prostitution works.\" I don\'t have the citations for those numbers, and since my wife found them through lexis nexis, I can\'t link you to the articles, but EVERY ONE of the documents I linked you to cites their sources, and in particular, the government link references the Estes report.</p>\n<p>Look, you\'re obviously not reading this very carefully. Which I understand, particularly given the miscommunication with the post I failed to submit. But please, read this. I am not talking about whether or not prohibition of prostitution is a good or bad idea. Not the issue. This is the issue: you keep refusing to acknowledge that, at the current moment, prostitution is not a normally profession of choice. An overwhelming majority of prostitutes are under some form of coercion, either directly, by a pimp, or indirectly, through economic or psychological factors.</p>\n<p>If you acknowledge that most prostitutes are not actually working of their own free will in safe, happy conditions, fine. We can totally stop there. If you don\'t, then please educate yourself. And if you really think most prostitutes are A-Ok, and doing it by their own informed choice, then support it with some sort of document, because it\'s honestly counter to every conclusion that can be drawn from the studies that have been done over the years.</p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:e7d65bdfb65503b1238b79cc55e23db8' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p><em>This is the issue: you keep refusing to acknowledge that, at the current moment, prostitution is not a normally profession of choice.</em></p>\n<p>\"Not normally a profession of choice.\" I\'ve never said anything other than that. If I have, please quote me and I\'ll retract, because I don\'t believe that it <em>em></em> \"normall\" a profession of choice\". Otherwise, knock it off with the false assertions.</p>\n<p><em>An overwhelming majority of prostitutes are under some form of coercion, either directly, by a pimp, or indirectly, through economic or psychological factors.</em></p>\n<p>What I object to in your comments here, are perfectly illustrated by the above.</p>\n<p>First, you don\'t define your terms. What constitutes an \"<em>overwhelming</em> majority\"? 55%? 65%? 95%, which is the figure I believe you started off with? It\'s your use of ostensible statistics and number-like terms that made me ask for sources in the first place.</p>\n<p>Second, your definition of \"some for of coercion\" is so broad that it is meaningless. <em>All</em> of us not born with a silver ladle in our mouths are under \"some form of coercion\" by your definition. We <em>all</em> do things we don\'t like.</p>\n<p>Is prostitution a job I would recommend to young women? It is not and I never said that it is or that I would.</p>\n<p>Am I convinced by your unsubstantiated statistics and catch-all definitions that the \"vast majority\" of prostitutes in Canada are being <em>truly</em> coerced (ie, are under threat of violence, forced drug addiction or some other kind of <em>literal</em> coercion)? I am not. It might be true, but I don\'t know whether or not it is, and your say-so ihasn\'t been enough to convince me.</p>\n<p>You keep telling me the evidence to support your contentions is easy to find, yet though you\'re familiar with it, you can\'t actually provide it. You\'re the one making the specific claims, it\'s up to you to back them up.</p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:83b0b90051b63ea4eddbb813cd78f50b' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<blockquote><p>In any case, whatever her reasons, she \"chose\" to enter the business, no one put a gun to her head — and since some women do literally have a gun or some other weapon used to really coerce them into the trade, it does the latter a gross disservice to lump unhappy middle-class white women with genuine victims.</p></blockquote>\n<p>As far as what constitutes an overwhelming majority, I made that perfectly clear with the statistics I referenced. I\'m sorry the citations fell off the internet, and I\'m sorry I don\'t have the time to re-do the research that produced them, but unless you actually have some reason to believe that I\'m deliberately lying about those documents, while producing multiple valid documents and arguing in good faith (if not good humor), then maybe you can take the existence of those figures as a conditional, and do some research of your own. If not, well, I\'ve made a best-faith effort. I am sorry that I got as heated as I have - my wife works in a domestic violence shelter, and this is not a remote, hypothetical issue for me.</p>\n<p>I have neither time nor interest in continuing this at this point. I hope you have a pleasant day.</p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:a6134da5f8d9a6995dc1b1444b411b52' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p><i>Which strikes me as a double-standard which presumes that all women involved in the sex-trade are victims — full-stop again.</i></p>\n<p>But many of them are. It\'s like fur; I don\'t buy fur not because I care any more about ranched minks than I do about ranched chickens, but because I have no way of knowing whether the company that sells me my ranched mink isn\'t also paying people to hunt wild and endangered animals. Similarly, I would myself be leery of hiring sex workers in an environment where sex work is illegal, because I would have no way of knowing whether the person I was negotiating with was trafficked themselves, or is working to support employers who are trafficking.</p>\n<p>I mean, Chester Brown\'s book doesn\'t have to be about that, because not every book has to be about everything. I just think you are oversimplifying this issue in that throwaway sentence in your review.</p>\n<p>Another thing I think you are oversimplifying a bit is Brown\'s daring in writing about patronizing sex workers. From pop culture (Charlie Sheen) to high culture (Henry Miller) it\'s really not so difficult to find voices \"glamorizing the life of johns,\" as you put it. The johns have always had a much louder voice than the sex workers themselves.</p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:73280fc1cd800f9c5d91657be9760966' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p><em>I mean, Chester Brown\'s book doesn\'t have to be about that, because not every book has to be about everything. I just think you are oversimplifying this issue in that throwaway sentence in your review.</em></p>\n<p>In his defence, he <em>does</em> cover the issue of the prostitutes\' situations. Rightly or wrongly, he claims to believe that most, if not all of the women whose services he purchased were there as voluntarily as one can be in our society &mdash; i.e., the women had access to telephones and (mostly) seemed to him to be able to come and go of their own volition?</p>\n<p>True? False? I have only his word to go by, of course. Well that, and the fact that I have known a few women who\'ve done varying degrees of sex-work and not one of them had a pimp.</p>\n<p><em>From pop culture (Charlie Sheen) to high culture (Henry Miller) it\'s really not so difficult to find voices \"glamorizing the life of johns...</em></p>\n<p>True enough, and I wasn\'t entirely happy with the way I dealt with that &mdash; but the bloody essay was getting longer than I\'d intended it to be anyway.</p>\n<p>I suppose I was talking more about the circles I frequent and lurk in; the chattering and artsy classes, so to speak, where feminism isn\'t a dirty work and neither is kink.</p>\n<p>It\'s true that Charlie Sheen seems to have some kind of following, but in my world he is regarded as a train-wreck, not someone to be admired let alone emulated. And in terms of high culture, I think Miller gets away with it due to his times; if anyone is glamorizing being a john in high culture nowadays, I\'m not familiar with him.</p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:58bed0132da9838f3a0df1f22ecb542e' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p>Interesting because I share that same prejudice (which I\'m not arguing is necessary right/true - because I think there is some murky unknowns here (in my head)). However, that statement does not imply that <i>all</i> women involved in sex-trade are victims; it is enough that <i>many</i> of them are (and indeed, perhaps, whether or not they themselves admit this).</p>\n<p>People who need money are generally less powerful than those who have money to spend. Which is not saying you can\'t have \"perfectly\" consensual sex which is paid for, but there is already far too much justification for exploitation on the basis of market economics.</p>\n<p>--<br />\nOn the topic of the comic.book, I don\'t think I\'d bother reading it (at least not from what samples you\'ve gifted us here). Is it insightful?</p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:eceb85bdfd465241852fba73a9aa7e7e' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p>There\'s no question in my mind that Brown &mdash; the Libertarian &mdash; thinks that reducing <em>everything</em> to economic transactions would be a good thing. Indeed, he expounds at some length in one of the appendices his fantasy that a few decades hence, prostitution will be at least as common as \"free\" sex. (Why he thinks that would be such a good thing he either didn\'t go into or I managed to tune out; in case you\'re wondering, I am <em>not</em> a Libertarian.)</p>\n<p>As far as whether or not many or most women involved in the sex trade goes, especially if we are ready to label them as such <em>whether or not they agree</em> with the label, I think we ought to define \"victim\" pretty carefully before going much further.</p>\n<p>In a capitalist economy, almost everyone trades their time and effort in return for money, and most of us would much rather be doing something else. One woman I used to know told me she was doing sex work because she would much rather make $150 an hour having sex than $10 an hour waiting on tables &mdash; does that make her a victim or just someone taking a calculated risk?</p>\n<p><em>On the topic of the comic.book ... [i]s it insightful?</em></p>\n<p>If you\'re interested in the workings of a (possibly not at all) typical john, then yes it is. But it is a memoir, not a piece of investigative journalism. If you want well-researched insight into the sex-trade itself, then you won\'t find it in Brown\'s book.</p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:abbe65f8fecbd840b32b491923b4a6ec' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p>It\'s also worth noting the likelihood that part of the <actual> victimisation of sex-workers comes from their being viewed as victims, and of their employment as shameful (which includes those with which they engage), by the greater (and ethically minded?) society (whether we admit this or not). This was part of what I was pointing to when I said \"whether they admit it or not\". It\'s not easy being against the norms, and yet who wants to go around admitting that their occupation is dirt? Good money, the default justification (even for burger flippers:).</actual></p>\n<p>Anyhow, that\'s something about which I know little, and only anecdotally.</p>\n<p>What exactly is his reason for not wanting a girlfriend? It doesn\'t appear to be that he doesn\'t like women\'s company, since he has them as friends.<br />\n--</p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:fb213555e84aa156888f08bfb0d78dd5' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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  • user warning: Table './edadmin_drpl1/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p>I think you\'re quite right, that the disdain that people in general feel for both whores and johns makes the situation worse for both parties (and usually, sexism being far from an extinguished flame, much worse for the female party), but that\'s not much compared to the legal sanctions.</p>\n<p>As for Brown, he initially says that romantic relationships take too much work, and that they bring out the worst in people &mdash; the pettiness, jealousies, insecurities &mdash; and claims he just doesn\'t want to deal with it anymore.</p>\n<p>Later in the book he goes further and asserts that monogamous relationships are inherently \"evil\", again citing the misery that results from break-ups, from the unhappiness of those who <em>don\'t</em> have a partner, etc.</p>\n<p><em>It doesn\'t appear to be that he doesn\'t like women\'s company, since he has them as friends.</em></p>\n<p>He claims, and Sook Yin Le herself has publicly backed him on this, that he and she are still very good friends, and if his comic is generally accurate he\'s probably a pretty good ex-boyfriend to have.</p>\n<p>Long story short, I sure wouldn\'t want to make his choice, but as a bit of an introvert myself, I think I can go at least part way towards understanding why he wanted to.</p>\n', created = 1513278287, expire = 1513364687, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:a6b97c0caf2e9bb8cea09da1ac9e0da2' in /home/edadmin/public_html/includes/cache.inc on line 112.
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You're a dirty whore-monger, Chester Brown

Autobiography is a risky endeavour at the best of times; not only will the memoirist's craft be scrutinized and judged, but so too will his or her character. So it is probably a good thing for Chester Brown that he is one of the best cartoonists of his generation, because he really does have sex with prostitutes.

In fact, his latest book, Paying For It, is all about his decision to give up on romantic love in favour of sex for money.

It has become almost trendy to dabble in the sex-trade. Bookshelves groan beneath mounds of tell-all memoirs and fictions, and even relatively mainstream television has gotten into act, with no less than one-time Doctor Who companion Billie Piper disrobing on a regular business as Belle du Jour. But memoirs and fictions glamorizing the life of johns?

Maybe not so much

It is one thing to admit to taking money for sex; to confess paying for sex, on the other hand, remains quite outside the bounds of polite society.

If Brown doesn't make an explicit analogy between his "coming-out" as a john and the struggles of gay men and lesbians who braved arrest and assault when they refused to any longer closet their sexual natures, Paying For It certainly implicitly invites the comparison, if only by Brown's refusal to be ashamed.

As Brown's friend (and ex-girlfriend) Kris tells him, to most people, johns are "... creeps. Who knows what they're capable of? If I had a daughter I'd be worried about what would happen if she was in the same elevator as one of those guys."

So would you want to read a comic book by and about one?

Click here for my full review, with inevitable spoilers — not safe for work.

Money for something

Paying for It: A Comic-Strip Memoir About Being a John
By Chester Brown
(Drawn & Quarterly), May, 2011
Hardcover: 272 pages
ISBN: 9781770460485

Chester Brown began his career in the early 1980s when he self-published the mini-comic Yummy Fur (a complete run of which I am pleased is still in my possession). His early work was notable for its blend of surreal, scatological and slapstick humour, but grew more serious in tone and ever-more sophisticated in execution as he tackled subjects as diverse as his adaptations of the Gospels and, especially, his courageous autobiographical stories, which often focused on his sexuality. Beyond the comic world, he is probably best-known for his biography of Louis Riel.

If posterity has yet to determine whether he will take a seat among comics' immortals, there can be no doubt that Chester Brown is a superb craftsman and a courageous artist.

But neither craft nor courage guarantee success — and a project like Paying For It is sure to be attacked as much for its content and its perceived content, as will its creator, as it will be for the words and pictures which actually lie between its covers.

Even those who support the right of prostitutes to ply their trade legally and with the full protection of the law often seem to run out of tolerance when it comes to the men whose money creates that market in the first place.

A blogger I respect a great deal recently dismissed Paying For It sight unseen.

"Haven't read it. Don't really have any desire to read it. This said, Chester Brown's latest offering sounds like exactly what I was complaining about, minus the 'sensitive' in 'sensitive indie white boy,' with bonus misogyny and libertarianism."

Is Chester Brown really a misogynist? If so, does the fact that he pays for sex in and of itself prove that he is? (That he is a Libertarian is beyond reasonable doubt; he's now twice stood for election as a candidate for the Libertarian Party of Canada.)

If your answer to that second question is "no" or "not necessarily", the evidence at hand — which of course is entirely Brown's — won't answer it definitively; the reader has no way of knowing what facts Brown has opted to omit or to change.

That said, none of his previous autobiographical comics smacked of self-hagiography and he makes no obvious effort here to pander to his readers' presumed prejudices; Chester Brown doesn't seem to much care much whether people like or approve of him or not.

As with a number of the comments to a review at BoingBoing, the above blogger's brief "review" suggests there is a deep-seated contempt for those (men) who pay for sex that is eerily similar to that which bubbles beneath the placid surface of those who can boast of many gay friends, yet who still hold that marriage be reserved for mixed-sex couples only.

Brown is openly fessing-up to an activity — no, he is proudly declaring that he is engaged in an activity that a large cohort of our society considers disgusting and depraved, full-stop.

What is strange, is that many of those same people do not (or say they do not) hold the same opinion of the women who provide the services being purchased. Which strikes me as a double-standard which presumes that all women involved in the sex-trade are victims — full-stop again.

Sex life of an introvert

Paying For It begins in 1996, when Brown's then-girlfriend (Canadian musician, actor, director and now CBC Radio host Sook Yin Lee) tells him that she has fallen in love with another man.

Brown accepts the revelation with a weird equanimity and surprises his friends Seth and Joe Matt even more when he tells them that he is okay with the break-up, is still friends with Sook Yin and that he will continue renting a room in her house.

And he adds that he doesn't think he ever again wants to get involved in a romantic relationship. "I've got two competing desires," he later tells Kris, another ex-girlfriend, "-- the desire to have sex, versus the desire to NOT have a girlfriend."

Not surprisingly, as any introverted male can probably attest, Brown's next two years are celibate. It is only when he nearly pays $50 to have a photo taken of himself with a Playboy model at a comic book convention that he considers hiring a prostitute.

A year after that, he takes the plunge and the book's main narrative kicks in, with a chapter devoted to (and named for) each prostitute with whom he will have encounters.

Paying For It includes some frank depictions of sex, but the drawing is not remotely prurient and it would take a peculiar libido indeed to find it erotic. Brown's almost static black-and-white drawings are meant to — and do — support the narrative and and dialogue without drawing any attention to the artwork.

Brown draws himself as utterly expressionless, with an almost cadaverous gauntness. The one-time master of surreal slapstick is, here, quietly observant, with what humour there is coming almost entirely through dialogue.

Perhaps surprisingly, that's enough to carry the book. Brown has an excellent ear for dialogue and the timing to make of conversational irony laugh-out-loud moments.

The chapters are short and straightforward, depicting Brown's anxieties about this new world (will he be caught in a police sting? Will he be beaten and robbed? What about disease?) and his gradual acculturation to it.

Though some encounters are more enjoyable for him than others, he reports his experiences were largely positive and becomes ever-more insistent when discussing them with his friends that no, he is not secretly unhappy nor is he having a mid-life crisis. He insists that he is in fact very happy with the arrangement.

If anything, according to Chester Brown, it is the rest of the world that has a problem. Romantic love, with its attendant rules and expectations of physical monogamy, is "evil".

And that's about it in so far as the book has a plot. Chester Brown opts out of romance and in to 15 or 20 paid sex sessions per year as an alternative.

The book's final 40 pages consist mostly of justifications. Brown is a good writer, but even the best writers are poorly-served by essays in story's disguise. And indeed, once the comic ends there are another 30 pages of appendices, strictly prose — plus end-notes to boot.

Despite the polemics, Paying For It is a solid and surprisingly entertaining look at a seldom-discussed side of the sex-trade. It is also the sort of thought-provoking manifesto sure to start a lot of passionate discussions to go along with the equally passionate out-of-hand dismissals.

It's not comfortable reading; Brown makes no apologies for the selfish aspects of his sexuality, as demonstrated most strongly by his judgements of the looks of the women whose services he is purchasing.

Does that make him a mysogynist? Is there something inherently wrong with the sex trade, or only with the paying party in that equation? Is there something inherently wrong for any individual to decide that romantic relationships are too much work and, rather than opt for celibacy, to pay someone for occasional sexual release?

There is a final twist to the story, which might (spoilers!) gainsay Brown's claims. He is, he tells his friends, now involved in a monogamous relationship, and has been for six years. Money is still exchanged, but he says "I ... probably love Denise," though he doubts she loves him. He believes she is no longer sleeping with other men but claims he would not be bothered if she did.

And so the story ends. Or rather, the book does. Brown's story continues and we can only presume (and hope!) that he will fill us in on future developments.

As for myself, I have no regrets and will almost certainly revisit Paying For It. But, if I could do it over, I might have chosen to pay for the paperback rather than the hardcover.

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Yeah, no. I admit that the

Yeah, no. I admit that the word "libertarian" sealed my opinion, but it seems like he does indeed sound like exactly the reason why johns are mostly contemptible; he doesn't want a woman, he wants a fleshsock. And I think trying to compare johns with gays or other despised minority groups is a rather skeevy association.

and that's why it's interesting?

"fleshsock" and sex-trade are two different arguments. I think the former (as an argument against), by your logic, falls into the category of "religious" (sociopathic from the standpoint of a particular view of human relationships?). It is thereby irrational.
I jest.

I too fall on the pay-for-sex from those two points. Yet meaningless, stringless -and often probably fully consensual- sex happens all the time. But that^ (above) is NOT an argument against one-night stands (or is it?).

If it's not then fleshsocking requires the latter (exploitation in the sex trade) to help stand it up as a convincing argument (ha); I mean, what makes his fleshsocking contemptible is not that he is paying for it, but that he is paying for it through an exploitative industry. Therefore it is OK to pay for sex provided there is no exploitation.

That's how this argument seems to me. However, I still feel that paying for sex (fleshsocking) is somewhat contemptible regardless of exploitation (I think). And so I wonder if you also feel that way.

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P.S I don't think there are no rational arguments against homosexuality I just don't think that most of them are particularly good.

Yeah, but.

...he doesn't want a woman, he wants a fleshsock.

That's kind of the point of paying for sex, isn't it? In which case, who are the johns that are not contemptible?

And I think trying to compare johns with gays or other despised minority groups is a rather skeevy association.

Well, why? People really did (and many still do) make similar judgements about gays and lesbians. It seems to me that when it comes to activites between consenting adults it is up to "society" to clear say why such-and-such an activity is wrong; we can't just assert that it is. (Well, we shouldn't.)

I don't know if there are any

I don't know if there are any johns who aren't contemptible, frankly, but I can feel a teeny tiny bit of sympathy for the "lonely guy who thinks he can't get laid any other way" and who is looking for human contact as much as for sex. Maybe the guy who just wants a warm jizz receptacle is more honest, but he's more honest about having a sociopath disregard for his fleshsocks, which I don't find admirable or sympathetic.

As for associating johns with homosexuals: I suppose if you believe that homosexuality is (a) "wrong" and (b) a choice, then you could argue that being a john is similar.

I have limited sympathy for the "consenting adults" argument, especially as wielded by libertarians, who are happy to consider a drug addict who was kicked out of her house at age 13 "consenting" when it comes to prostitution.

Re: I don't know if there are any

I have limited sympathy for the "consenting adults" argument, especially as wielded by libertarians, who are happy to consider a drug addict who was kicked out of her house at age 13 "consenting" when it comes to prostitution.

So do I. But that isn't Chester Brown.

As for the association of johns with homosexuals, the analogy I'm drawing isn't to the similarities between those groups, but to the attitudes held by those who despise members of one or both of those groups. You say you don't know if there are "any" johns who aren't contemptible, which begs the question, have you met any (that you know of)?

You say you don't know if

You say you don't know if there are "any" johns who aren't contemptible, which begs the question, have you met any (that you know of)?

Well, yes. I know they aren't all evil sociopaths who hate women, but I've never met one who wasn't pretty pathetic and/or misogynistic.

I don't think the attitudes of homophobes and the attitudes of people who disapprove of johns are equivalent, and you can't compare them without implying that johns and homosexuals are equivalent in some way.

Re: You say you don't know if

I don't think the attitudes of homophobes and the attitudes of people who disapprove of johns are equivalent, and you can't compare them without implying that johns and homosexuals are equivalent in some way.

Sure you can. People's attitudes and reality don't necessarily have a great deal to do with one another. My point isn't that johns and homosexuals are equivalent, but that the attitudes of many people who hold johns in contempt are equivalent to the attitudes of many people who hold homosexuals in contempt.

The rationales are different, but I believe — in many cases at least — that what is going on is not a rational condemnation of a certain behaviour, but an irrational hatred and fear of a perceived kind of person.

If the condemnation is along

If the condemnation is along the lines of "Ewww, you dirty whoremonger, you're a filthy pervert just like those homosexuals," then yeah. I'm not sure that they make up the majority nowadays. In my experience, opposition to prostitution tends to be more along the lines of: "Supporting an industry that puts 13-year-old runaways out on the streets is not an ethical choice (even if you are a Nice John who never picks up 13-year-olds)."

My point is that there are rational arguments against patronizing prostitutes. There aren't really any rational arguments against homosexuality, only emotional/religious ones. (Even "they spread AIDS" has lost traction.)

Re: If the condemnation is along

My point is that there are rational arguments against patronizing prostitutes.

Well what are they? And let's leave aside the 13 year-old runaways. They exist, I know, but so do 13 year-old alcoholics, 13 year-old PG-18 games and 13 year-old fanfic writers. I'm pretty sure you agree that the existence of the former doesn't mean adults should be forbidden from taking part in those activities.

So, unless you're saying that every woman who "chooses" to sell sex as a service is in fact being forced to do so, neither you nor anyone else who has commented so far has offered that elusive rational argument against sex-for-money, but only assertions that there is something inherently wrong with it.

As I think I've said either here or in a comment elsewhere, I am to some extent one with the ick crowd — I sure wouldn't be happy to learn that my niece had decided to take up the trade. But I'm damned if I can think of a rational argument beyond the utilitarian (disease, a bad date, loss of reputation) against the choice.

Why exclude the underage

Why exclude the underage runaways and the drug addicts? The difference between them and the 13-year-old alcoholics and PC gamers is that the latter don't require a steady supply of misery and disenfranchisement to keep the industry going. If there were no women being trafficked, exploited, hooked on drugs, turned out as underage runaways, then the prostitution industry would be a tiny one catered to only by the wealthy.

If prostitution were solely (or even could be largely limited to) women who have other options but choose this one, the high-priced callgirls so beloved of Hollywood, then I might agree that any arguments against it boil down to "Ick." But every study I've seen indicates that worldwide (and in the U.S., so it's not just a problem with the teeming impoverished masses of the third world), the vast, vast majority of prostitutes were forced into the work because it was that or starvation (or worse), and upwards of 95% of them would get out if they could.

So yes, I'm saying that the great majority of women who "choose" to sell sex as a service are in fact being forced to do so, and I think the mindset that says women=sex=commodity prevents it from being any other way.

The woman who decides sex for $150/hour is better than waiting tables for $10/hour may be making a rational choice, but even she is on the upper end of the prostitution bell curve. And I really have no patience for the "But people flipping burgers at McDonald's probably don't like their jobs either" argument.

Re: Why exclude the underage

What can I say, you're asserting that "upwards of 95% of them would get out if they could" and alluding to "every study you've seen" without citing even one of them. Do you really expect me to believe that every woman (or rather, "upwards of 95%" of the women) who posts an add in the back of a community newspaper or on the web is force into the work?

As I've said, that goes against my own anecdotal experience, where the sex industry is something (a) with many layers ‐ ie, web-camming is not stripping is not prostitution, etc and (b) is something that the women I've known have both gotten into and gotten out of.

I'm not denying that I may know an especially priviledged subset of women in the sex industry, or that most of them liked to party more than was good for them, but to go on to say they were forced into anything is an insult to every eastern European woman who got scammed into coming across the water and immediately had her passport yanked and a needle full of heroin jabbed into her arm.

In any event, what is your solution?

Chester Brown says the industry should be decriminalized so that women who who held in thrall to pimps can go to the cops, and those that run into a viscious john can do the same. Do you have a better idea?
even if your assertions are true here in Canada (or down south of the border), you don't say what you think should be done about it, other than issuing a self-righteous moral condemnation of the industry in general and of

What can I say, you're

What can I say, you're asserting that "upwards of 95% of them would get out if they could" and alluding to "every study you've seen" without citing even one of them. Do you really expect me to believe that every woman (or rather, "upwards of 95%" of the women) who posts an add in the back of a community newspaper or on the web is force into the work?

No, I'm saying that Craigslist escorts are mostly the exception, not the rule. Yes, the women you've known are most likely a privileged subset.

I'm sorry I can't recall where I saw the figures, and I've got a fever right now so I'm not going to go Googling -- feel free to dismiss the figure if you like, but I doubt it is inaccurate. Again, I'm not just looking at college girls making some money on webcams, I'm looking at the huge numbers of street prostitutes and brothel workers worldwide.

Who said I had a solution? I find it odd that you find my position "self-righteous." If I had to propose a solution, it would probably be some sort of legalization model involving stiff penalties for johns who patronize unlicensed prostitutes (but no penalty for the prostitutes), along with money poured into getting as many workers out of the industry as possible, and a major international campaign against trafficking.

...I'm looking at the huge

...I'm looking at the huge numbers of street prostitutes and brothel workers worldwide.

Fair enough, at least if we agree that an undefined "lot of women" are in such dismal situations. However, I'd hazard a guess (in fact, I am hazarding that guess) that the street prostitution and exploitative brothels are at least in large part due to the fact that the activity (or, in Canada, all aspects but the actual exchange of money) are illegal. It's not exactly a secret that prohibition breeds crime and exploitation.

So I (and Brown) are proposing a solution. Namely, full decriminalization. Make pimping a hanging offence, treat sexual assault seriously and let the women in the trade set themselves up in cooperative situations (if they so choose).

Will that solve every problem associated with prostitution? Of course not. There will still be 13 year old girls being exploited, still be drug addicts taken advantage of, ad nauseum. But if adults are legally allowed to fully control their own bodies, the cops will be able to spend their time going after the real victims while grown-ups can conduct what you might consider to be their sordid business without also being hunted down as criminals.

Ahem. Bit of a rant there, wasn't it?

As for the self-righteous remark, well, early on you said "I don't know if there are any johns who aren't contemptible, frankly" and it doesn't get much more self-righteous than that. For sake of argument I'll allow the possibility that you're right — that (almost) every man who has ever paid for sex is "contemptible", but that's a pretty wide swath of the human race you're condemning. I think you ought to provide some pretty solid evidence to support the judgement.

I'm really sorry, but it's

I'm really sorry, but it's not undefined, you haven't done the research. My wife found reputable studies within about 10 minutes (granted, some of them were from Lexis-Nexis, but a lot of them were available on the public internet). A good place to start might be here: http://prostitutionresearch.com/ I'm not claiming that the site is unbiased, but they cite their statistics, and are on the public internet.

The average age of entering the prostitution trade is between 13 and 14. I cited two studies, done in the mid-eighties. 85% of prostitutes have been victims of childhood sexual assault, and 80% of them are raped at some point during their career. The suicide rate for prostitutes is enormous - they make up 15% of the TOTAL suicide rate.

It's nice to think about some pie-in-the-sky legalization scheme that will fix the problems, but honestly, you need to stop telling people they're wrong about how it's constructed now, because they aren't.

Thanks for the link, but it's

Thanks for the link, but it's a big site and one of the first bits I came across includes the following, from an anonymous former prostitute:

"If the managers (madams or pimps) felt that the customer’s request was reasonable, the prostitute was obligated to comply, or find another house to work in." [My emphasis.]

That doesn't sound like much in the way of coercion, if a prostitute can simply "find another house to work in" if she doesn't like the way the one she is in is run. Presumably, she can also stop prostituting herself altogether.

In any case, whatever her reasons, she "chose" to enter the business, no one put a gun to her head — and since some women do literally have a gun or some other weapon used to really coerce them into the trade, it does the latter a gross disservice to lump unhappy middle-class white women with genuine victims. It's like me saying the time a girl in grade 8 pinched my bum is no different from the time a good friend of mine was dragged into an alley and raped at knife-point. Sure, both incidents are technically sexual assault, but to claim they are the same thing is frankly a moral obscenity.

Which is to say, I remain unconvinced and I'm not going to go through everything on a website about which I know nothing except that its bias is frankly abolitionist (as with alcohol or marijuana use, an impossible goal, I'm afraid) in order, maybe, to find a study which will support your claim.

You said that you "cited two studies, done in the mid-eighties", but you haven't actually cited them. And anyway, studies done on a system that has been criminalized don't have a hell of a lot to say about a theoretical, decriminalized system.

While Chester Brown might think that prostitution is all fine and dandy, at least in theory, I see it as more of a necessary evil. That is, it's not going away, so any discussion needs to be about mitigating harm, not criminalizing prostitutes or johns.

As I've said before, the best way to cut down on the criminal element in any enterprise is to make the enterprise legal and to ensure that prostitutes have every opportunity to get out of the business if and/or when they are ready to.

That doesn't sound like much

That doesn't sound like much in the way of coercion, if a prostitute can simply "find another house to work in" if she doesn't like the way the one she is in is run. Presumably, she can also stop prostituting herself altogether.

And on the same page -
"They say prostitution is a choice? How did I choose prostitution? I didn’t choose prostitution, it chose me. Just as child sexual assault and neglect had chose me. I was not a willing participant, but lured into a life I saw as my only option."

My point is that most of these women ARE either under coercion, or too young to legally make informed choices, or under situations where they have no other options (or are led to feel that they have no other options).

My point is that the "unhappy middle-aged white women" you're talking about are a ridiculously small minority of a trade that thrives on the abuse and virtual (or, in many cases, actual) enslavement of women. Even in cases where people "choose" prostitution, it's seldom a rational choice, made with an array of other options.

And, as I pointed out, your theoretical decriminalized scenario isn't relevant to discussions of the sex trade as it currently exists. I have no problem with your theoretical scenario, only with your discussion of the real situation as it stands.

And I cited them in a previous comment that was eaten - I assumed it was moderation, so that you'd have seen it, but if it was something else - my wife's computer has the original citations, which I'll dig up when she gets back. But, honestly, it's not actually a worthwhile position for you to say "I'm going to make all these statements based on no data! But I'm going to ignore anything without a citation that I 100% believe to be bias-free, and I'm not going to do my own research!" I mean, you haven't provided a study backing your views, which are counter to both common knowledge AND every single study pulled up in a cursory Googling. http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=1984+prostitution+study&hl=en&as_sdt... I'm not asking you to spend 14 years becoming an expert in sexual violence statistics, I'm asking you to do ANY BASIC RESEARCH BEFORE YOU TELL PEOPLE THEY'RE WRONG.

Also, your decriminalization plan only works when the actual thing being legislated doesn't have inherent aspects that lead to abuse. And, particularly given the level of misogyny prevalent in mainstream culture today, I don't think that even decriminalized prostitution would be free from abuse, exploitation, and other such social evils. I mean, the pornography and sex work industries aren't, and they're basically in the same legal state that you would put prostitution into.

Re: That doesn't sound like much


That doesn't sound like much in the way of coercion, if a prostitute can simply "find another house to work in" if she doesn't like the way the one she is in is run. Presumably, she can also stop prostituting herself altogether.

And on the same page -
"They say prostitution is a choice? How did I choose prostitution? I didn’t choose prostitution, it chose me. Just as child sexual assault and neglect had chose me. I was not a willing participant, but lured into a life I saw as my only option."

Well yes. But the statement I quoted is an assertion about an objective situation at a particular time — the woman could leave her situation — while the one you quoted is subjective analysis of a long and complicated how-did-I-get-here contemplation, which is a very different kettle of fish.

Look, at no point have I said or implied that I think prostitution is a desirable occupation or that very few prostitutes are abused. I don't think it's a desirable occupation and I know that a lot of prostitutes are abused. Okay?

However, you claim (here) that "most" prostitutes "ARE either under coercion, or too young to legally make informed choices, or under situations where they have no other options" which is so broad a series of claim s as to be meaningless. If you want to discuss this further (with me), please pick one of those claims and give me some supporting evidence. And since I moderate the comments here, the comment got deleted isn't going to go too far with me. Once is possible, twice is highly unlikely; I wish I did, but since I implemented the capcha, I don't get so much spam that I'm going to delete much by accident.

Long story short, you don't like prostitution, or johns. I get that. What isn't clear is whether you think that prohibition results in fewer women being hurt and killed than legalization (as in Nevada) or (my choice) simple de-criminalization (as in nowhere, to my knowledge).

If you believe that prohibition is the way to go, we might as well go our separate ways right now unless you can cite some serious and peer-reviewed studies showing evidence that prohibition, y'know, works.

So, I need to find serious,

So, I need to find serious, peer-reviewed studies that show prohibition works. But your position doesn't need any documentation? I suspect you're essentially using a request for citation as a rhetorical device - you're not actually basing your position on authoritative documents, and you're not interested in developing a position based on authoritative. If so, it's just a "kill button" for debate. If not, show me where you're getting "most prostitutes live in ok conditions" from, serious and peer-reviewed.

As I said that I "thought" it was moderated at the time. I'm guessing it's operator error - I assumed a preview was a post button, or some such. Statistics can be found fairly simply from http://www.justice.gov/criminal/ceos/prostitution.html , or crawling the citations of Cheryl Hanna's article "Somebody's Daughter" (pdf available, if it's down, use Google). I would spoon-feed you the exact locations of the particular data points, but neither I nor my wife have the time to do your research for you right now. Please, for the love of God, do some damn research, though.

It isn't a particularly broad series of claims, actually, because I'm not claiming "all of them match every category," I'm saying that at least one of those categories (which match the meaning of coercion that I originally intended) applies to the majority of sex workers.

Yes

So, I need to find serious, peer-reviewed studies that show prohibition works.

Well, not really, though you did claim to have some handy.

But anyway, I'll accept it if you just point me to an example of prohibition working. I can cite alchohol, all manner of illegal drugs and (I argue) prostitution as examples of prohibition doing exactly what you say you oppose. That is, making things better for organized crime and making criminals of people who are doing nothing that, in and of itself, hurts another person.

Statistics can be found fairly simply...

Statistics of what? That women are often hurt through prostitution and that many/most of the women who work as prostitutes have been sexually abused or have drug problems? Or both?

That's not news.

I haven't denied any of that. All I've done is question your statistics, such as "95%" and asked for sources, since my anecdata suggests to me that your stats are frankly made up. You've then said that you could easily point to stats but have never done so. The best you could do was to point me towards an activist site, which had, as the very first item I checked, an anonymous first-person account that contradicted itself within the first few paragraphs.

I really don't like being rude on my own forum because, yes, I am in the position of power here, but sweet Christ, I don't even know what your point is at this stage.

Go for something specific, and please quote me if you think I'm saying something that isn't true. Because I'm damned if I'm gong to play your little game of catch-the-moving-goal-post any further.

You're not questioning my

You're not questioning my statistics, at least not if 95% is going to be your example number. And, again, I'm not asking you to take my assertions on faith, and I never remotely made anything LIKE a claim that I have data that says "prohibition of prostitution works." I don't have the citations for those numbers, and since my wife found them through lexis nexis, I can't link you to the articles, but EVERY ONE of the documents I linked you to cites their sources, and in particular, the government link references the Estes report.

Look, you're obviously not reading this very carefully. Which I understand, particularly given the miscommunication with the post I failed to submit. But please, read this. I am not talking about whether or not prohibition of prostitution is a good or bad idea. Not the issue. This is the issue: you keep refusing to acknowledge that, at the current moment, prostitution is not a normally profession of choice. An overwhelming majority of prostitutes are under some form of coercion, either directly, by a pimp, or indirectly, through economic or psychological factors.

If you acknowledge that most prostitutes are not actually working of their own free will in safe, happy conditions, fine. We can totally stop there. If you don't, then please educate yourself. And if you really think most prostitutes are A-Ok, and doing it by their own informed choice, then support it with some sort of document, because it's honestly counter to every conclusion that can be drawn from the studies that have been done over the years.

This is the issue: you keep

This is the issue: you keep refusing to acknowledge that, at the current moment, prostitution is not a normally profession of choice.

"Not normally a profession of choice." I've never said anything other than that. If I have, please quote me and I'll retract, because I don't believe that it em> "normall" a profession of choice". Otherwise, knock it off with the false assertions.

An overwhelming majority of prostitutes are under some form of coercion, either directly, by a pimp, or indirectly, through economic or psychological factors.

What I object to in your comments here, are perfectly illustrated by the above.

First, you don't define your terms. What constitutes an "overwhelming majority"? 55%? 65%? 95%, which is the figure I believe you started off with? It's your use of ostensible statistics and number-like terms that made me ask for sources in the first place.

Second, your definition of "some for of coercion" is so broad that it is meaningless. All of us not born with a silver ladle in our mouths are under "some form of coercion" by your definition. We all do things we don't like.

Is prostitution a job I would recommend to young women? It is not and I never said that it is or that I would.

Am I convinced by your unsubstantiated statistics and catch-all definitions that the "vast majority" of prostitutes in Canada are being truly coerced (ie, are under threat of violence, forced drug addiction or some other kind of literal coercion)? I am not. It might be true, but I don't know whether or not it is, and your say-so ihasn't been enough to convince me.

You keep telling me the evidence to support your contentions is easy to find, yet though you're familiar with it, you can't actually provide it. You're the one making the specific claims, it's up to you to back them up.

In any case, whatever her

In any case, whatever her reasons, she "chose" to enter the business, no one put a gun to her head — and since some women do literally have a gun or some other weapon used to really coerce them into the trade, it does the latter a gross disservice to lump unhappy middle-class white women with genuine victims.

As far as what constitutes an overwhelming majority, I made that perfectly clear with the statistics I referenced. I'm sorry the citations fell off the internet, and I'm sorry I don't have the time to re-do the research that produced them, but unless you actually have some reason to believe that I'm deliberately lying about those documents, while producing multiple valid documents and arguing in good faith (if not good humor), then maybe you can take the existence of those figures as a conditional, and do some research of your own. If not, well, I've made a best-faith effort. I am sorry that I got as heated as I have - my wife works in a domestic violence shelter, and this is not a remote, hypothetical issue for me.

I have neither time nor interest in continuing this at this point. I hope you have a pleasant day.

Which strikes me as a

Which strikes me as a double-standard which presumes that all women involved in the sex-trade are victims — full-stop again.

But many of them are. It's like fur; I don't buy fur not because I care any more about ranched minks than I do about ranched chickens, but because I have no way of knowing whether the company that sells me my ranched mink isn't also paying people to hunt wild and endangered animals. Similarly, I would myself be leery of hiring sex workers in an environment where sex work is illegal, because I would have no way of knowing whether the person I was negotiating with was trafficked themselves, or is working to support employers who are trafficking.

I mean, Chester Brown's book doesn't have to be about that, because not every book has to be about everything. I just think you are oversimplifying this issue in that throwaway sentence in your review.

Another thing I think you are oversimplifying a bit is Brown's daring in writing about patronizing sex workers. From pop culture (Charlie Sheen) to high culture (Henry Miller) it's really not so difficult to find voices "glamorizing the life of johns," as you put it. The johns have always had a much louder voice than the sex workers themselves.

Double-standards and over-simplifications

I mean, Chester Brown's book doesn't have to be about that, because not every book has to be about everything. I just think you are oversimplifying this issue in that throwaway sentence in your review.

In his defence, he does cover the issue of the prostitutes' situations. Rightly or wrongly, he claims to believe that most, if not all of the women whose services he purchased were there as voluntarily as one can be in our society — i.e., the women had access to telephones and (mostly) seemed to him to be able to come and go of their own volition?

True? False? I have only his word to go by, of course. Well that, and the fact that I have known a few women who've done varying degrees of sex-work and not one of them had a pimp.

From pop culture (Charlie Sheen) to high culture (Henry Miller) it's really not so difficult to find voices "glamorizing the life of johns...

True enough, and I wasn't entirely happy with the way I dealt with that — but the bloody essay was getting longer than I'd intended it to be anyway.

I suppose I was talking more about the circles I frequent and lurk in; the chattering and artsy classes, so to speak, where feminism isn't a dirty work and neither is kink.

It's true that Charlie Sheen seems to have some kind of following, but in my world he is regarded as a train-wreck, not someone to be admired let alone emulated. And in terms of high culture, I think Miller gets away with it due to his times; if anyone is glamorizing being a john in high culture nowadays, I'm not familiar with him.

re pl

Interesting because I share that same prejudice (which I'm not arguing is necessary right/true - because I think there is some murky unknowns here (in my head)). However, that statement does not imply that all women involved in sex-trade are victims; it is enough that many of them are (and indeed, perhaps, whether or not they themselves admit this).

People who need money are generally less powerful than those who have money to spend. Which is not saying you can't have "perfectly" consensual sex which is paid for, but there is already far too much justification for exploitation on the basis of market economics.

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On the topic of the comic.book, I don't think I'd bother reading it (at least not from what samples you've gifted us here). Is it insightful?

There's no question in my

There's no question in my mind that Brown — the Libertarian — thinks that reducing everything to economic transactions would be a good thing. Indeed, he expounds at some length in one of the appendices his fantasy that a few decades hence, prostitution will be at least as common as "free" sex. (Why he thinks that would be such a good thing he either didn't go into or I managed to tune out; in case you're wondering, I am not a Libertarian.)

As far as whether or not many or most women involved in the sex trade goes, especially if we are ready to label them as such whether or not they agree with the label, I think we ought to define "victim" pretty carefully before going much further.

In a capitalist economy, almost everyone trades their time and effort in return for money, and most of us would much rather be doing something else. One woman I used to know told me she was doing sex work because she would much rather make $150 an hour having sex than $10 an hour waiting on tables — does that make her a victim or just someone taking a calculated risk?

On the topic of the comic.book ... [i]s it insightful?

If you're interested in the workings of a (possibly not at all) typical john, then yes it is. But it is a memoir, not a piece of investigative journalism. If you want well-researched insight into the sex-trade itself, then you won't find it in Brown's book.

It's also worth noting the

It's also worth noting the likelihood that part of the victimisation of sex-workers comes from their being viewed as victims, and of their employment as shameful (which includes those with which they engage), by the greater (and ethically minded?) society (whether we admit this or not). This was part of what I was pointing to when I said "whether they admit it or not". It's not easy being against the norms, and yet who wants to go around admitting that their occupation is dirt? Good money, the default justification (even for burger flippers:).

Anyhow, that's something about which I know little, and only anecdotally.

What exactly is his reason for not wanting a girlfriend? It doesn't appear to be that he doesn't like women's company, since he has them as friends.
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Too much work

I think you're quite right, that the disdain that people in general feel for both whores and johns makes the situation worse for both parties (and usually, sexism being far from an extinguished flame, much worse for the female party), but that's not much compared to the legal sanctions.

As for Brown, he initially says that romantic relationships take too much work, and that they bring out the worst in people — the pettiness, jealousies, insecurities — and claims he just doesn't want to deal with it anymore.

Later in the book he goes further and asserts that monogamous relationships are inherently "evil", again citing the misery that results from break-ups, from the unhappiness of those who don't have a partner, etc.

It doesn't appear to be that he doesn't like women's company, since he has them as friends.

He claims, and Sook Yin Le herself has publicly backed him on this, that he and she are still very good friends, and if his comic is generally accurate he's probably a pretty good ex-boyfriend to have.

Long story short, I sure wouldn't want to make his choice, but as a bit of an introvert myself, I think I can go at least part way towards understanding why he wanted to.

And, in this case....

And, in this case, "many" would be more accurate as "most." Seriously, the huge majority of sex workers operate under the constant threat (and often realization) of both sexual and non-sexual violence, at the hands of pimps and johns, and incarceration and abuse at the hands of the police.

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